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8 Mar 2009

This is a half-response to this post, but it's a little mixture of rant/personal thoughts/randomness as you do in the manner of blog writing.

Chivalry's dead,
But you're still kinda cute


Yeah, quoting lyrics from Nelly Furtado's Promiscuous Girl is probably not the best way to start this post but I think there's something profound when you look behind those words. It's like the entire concept of being chivalrous is something associated with being old fashioned and archaic. Men who do hold the door and allow 'ladies first' to be an innate part of their behaviour are seen to be slightly stuck in the times where hats were tilted at the sight of a frilly dressed lady.

This is such bullshit.

I LOVE the whole idea of chivalry, what's so wrong with the door being opened for you? Don't you like the respect you receive when you're walking through a corridor and a guy sees you coming- he waits til you reach the door just so he can keep it opened for you? It's a great feeling of simply knowing that there's respect for you in the world. We're female, the so called 'weaker sex' only because we let that title stick and offend our fragile egos. Feminists fail to realise that we are DIFFERENT to males, we are biologically diverse, our personalities have various traits which actually complement male characteristics. It's this difference we should learn to embrace and allow that to be a means of getting along better.

Women who demand equality are a little strange in my opinion. If you want to be seen socially, mentally and physically equal to a male, you have to take into consideration that men aren't allowed to use the 'time of the month' card for mood swings and cranky bickering, neither are they given nine months of socially acceptable weight gain and irrational, compulsive gorging. Neither are they allowed to be seen swooning over little cute pets without their manhood being bruised- accept it. We want this double standard when it suits us, either be EQUAL or accept the DIFFERENCES, you can't have it both ways.

18 raindrops:

Abdul Sami said...

i am all of chivalry...

but i m all for women to b stronger and equal and all that too...

donno where that puts me...

but at the end of the day... i would open a door for anybody... be it my mates or a female... thats jus good manners :) !

The Shmoo said...

First, I'm gonna type 'prepoc' so that I can just hit "Publish Comment" later. I'm not a fan of the verification thingee >_< but its important nonetheless, so I'm not gonna crib about it.

Chivalry -- damn! I can't remember the last time I actually saw a guy do anything chivalrous in my circles :(

Feminism has gone haywire! They should get back to demanding respect for women. Its terribly annoying when certain women claim to be feminists but end up doing this whole 'man hater' thing. LAME! We cannot live without men. They're cute ^_^

Great 'prepoc' is in place. Now I've typed 'prepoc' thrice in this entire comment. Wait, four times >_<

You rock! Keep them posts coming!

americanising desi said...

ohh i love chivalry. i love being the woman who can depend on a man and though i have my stand in life, i can never imagine a life without a man :)
no way :D

loved this post!

Emmie said...

amen. I love this because you hit it on the head. I love the idea of being a mans little lady, smeone he looks after and takes care of but at the same time I would like to think he would see me as an equal, respecting me and my ideas. By no means ndo women need men they shouldnt depend on them whole heartedly and I think thats where the respect factor comes in. x

Cookie Monster said...

Well written as always!

Thanks for commenting by writing a whole post on it - thats just super! (ego boost) :D

I don't want to go down the route of stronger/weaker sex (because everyone is equal in their own right), but it takes me back to a point which I blogged about previously about the role of a husband and wife in Islam (as I saw it) - chauvinism exists on sides, it's all about the effort put in by each person.

For the record - it's always Ladies first! :)

Mubi said...

i agree to every word of your post :D and aww the chivalry part reminds me of my literature sir...hes such a gentleman..he actually used to open doors for us, his students...we used to adore him..still do :p

uglyduckling91 said...

I agree with the post. :D
Girls nowadays like to be the men of relationships and everything. --

M. Umer Toor said...

Rightly said - the idea of equality is naive for it eliminates the qualitative differences, as you're pointing out, between man and woman. It is so rare to hear, now-a-days, from feminist quarters, that these qualitative differences b/w two sexes are actually complementary than contradictory. I don't know why...

In an university entrance test, I was asked to argue as to why man and woman should wear different clothes. The only rationale I could hint upon was the differences in their nature. And that, naturally, it suites for each of them to behave and live according to their own natures.

¤Ü•B¤ said...

totally agree

and well written !!

Kadri said...

I want the right to be me, a woman with a womans physiology, mentality and needs. It's not equality when women are expected to be like men, act like men and do like men.

If anything I'm looking for equal rights to be individuals, such as we may be.

Respect, not matter what you call it, seems to become more and more rare theses days. It's not only about men holding doors (and so on) it's about how women act too.

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iMuslim said...

Anyone who thinks women are the weaker sex, has obviously never witnessed "man flu". Men, on average, are physically stronger than women, but boy do they love to be mothered. :)

Chivalry does indeed rock though.

* This is the third time I'm posting this comment. I am not usually so pedantic at correcting mistakes, but as this is my first time posting on your blog (as far as I remember), I wanted to get it right! Oh well... {slinks off}

Luscious Sealed Lips said...

Chivalry is good but not important. You may love someone else opening your door but by God's grace you have the hands to do it yourself.

Feminism used for convenience is bad. But demand for the respect and freedom in society you deserve is important and acceptable. Most call this 'Feminism'.

Kisses.

siras said...

Oh yea. Women and men are different-it's about time we all accepted that.

americanising desi said...

may i add that i prefer human chauvinism better!!

rebecca said...

This is a very interesting post. I'm all for chivalry and the first thing I look for in a man is his manners.

Women cannot ask to be accepted as equal to men because, the bottom line is, we are not....in some areas.

Physically, we're apples and oranges. They have massive strength and braun but we have the capability of withstanding bearing a child. We're talking about two different forms of physical endurance/strength here.

Emotionally? Uneven playing grounds plus there's a thing called the nature/nurture duality. Men don't have to deal with the hormonal havoc women are subjected to. Plus, there's also the way on how women and men are raised (women can show emotion, men can't).

As far as I'm concerned there are only two areas where men and women are on equal playing grounds: mentally and intellectually. But, unfortunately, in the working world where intellectual and mental abilities matter and should be the only prerequisite (not gender), patriarchy still rules and makes it an uneven playing ground for women. I think this is the root of women's anger. Equal pay for equal brains, no?

Silvara said...

Interesting...

Personally don't believe in chivalry - don't think it has a place in today's society. I'd like to think we have moved on from those days when women needed a man to do everything for them.

Good manners in men is desirable - a man who deliberately goes out of his way to treat you like you are something fragile is not. Chivalry goes wayyy deeper than what you have written and I'm sorry you can't see that.

I'd open a door for a man (or woman!) just as I'd expect a man (or woman!) to open one for me - really it's whoever gets to the door first :P

You're just playing to the societal stereotypes yourself when you list those things that make women 'different. Women and Men are differnt nobody is denying that but women who DON'T demand equality are a little strange in my opinion.

Read this - it might just open your eyes:

http://tamilpunkster.blogspot.com/2007/10/let-chivalry-die-please.html